Marina ([info]toastandtea) wrote,
@ 2004-06-13 01:59:00
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Saw PoA again, and you know, i think i liked it even better this time. The first two movies got a bit boring to me on subsequent viewings, like you could really feeeel how long they were (not that they were THAT BAD, i just don't think they had as many sheerly enjoyable moments), but this one was immensely entertaining all over again. It's SO GORGEOUS, i seriously cannot get over it. The whole time i was thinking "WANT THE DVD. Oooh, look at that, i can't wait to cap that. Ooh, i want that shot, too. GIMME GIMME" etc etc.

I really, really adore the music. I don't have the soundtrack so i have no idea what the songs are, so i'm just going to say the moments that i love. When Aunt Marge is floating away, you know, the end of the blowing-up sequence, it's very light-hearted and pomp-y and stuff and i like it. Double Double Toil and Trouble, of course, i've loved since that damn fucking awesome best trailer ever came out- it gives me goosebumps. The place it's at in the movie, before they show the choir and it's outside and rainy as the carriages are going up to the school, it fits SO beautifully. I looooooove the drums as Buckbeak is galloping to take off, that part is SO COOL. I mean, it just kicks ass. And Lupin's swing music during the boggart lesson. And the harpsichord music that's throughout- i wanna say it's vaguely creepy, but it's not really. It just gives this dark, cool, old-fashioned feel.

Actually, i thought of that the first time, and i was reminded of it again, the old-fashioned stylistic stuff that's in there. The harpsichord music especially, but also the iris transitions, you know, the circular fades between a lot of the scenes, it's like a silent movie or when you switch off an old black and white tv. They're really very, very cool, they give this sense of time slowing down or falling in and out of consciousness (which is, of course, mostly when they're used). I love that it's kind of old-fashioned like that, because that's always how HP has felt when i've read it. I mean, obviously the wizarding world is different, with the candles and owls and castles and things, but even the muggle world outside, i've always thought of it as an amalgamation of modern and old styles, technological but retro. Actually, i think of A Series of Unfortunate Events in the same way, probably even moreso than HP- like it's current, but in an alternate universe where everything is stylistically old. I'm not sure if that makes sense.

Anyway, i am still in LOVE with the style of the film (if all this talk about style didn't tip you off). Everything is so dreary, dark and rainy and overcast and British, and i just adore it to bits and pieces. When the train is stopped on the bridge and the compartment lights go off, the quidditch in the rain (LOVEITSOMUCH), Hagrid telling the kids about the trial while skipping stones, the scenes around Buckbeak's execution with the cloudy sky and the crows (and when Macnair is sharpening the axe- SO creepy), GAAAH. The greens and blues and greys are everywhere, and it's sooooo preeeeeeeetty. I just love how it really does reflect the darkness of the story, the sadness and maturity and heightening danger.

Still loved, uhm, everything i loved last time. There are so many brilliant shots, like the beginning of the boggart lesson when it goes through the mirror in the wardrobe, the close-up of the freezing flowers as the dementor passes by, going through the gears of the clocktower all the way down to Harry and Hermione running through the courtyard after they've gone back in time (loveloveLOVE that, there's so much urgency to it). The very beginning with Harry and his wand under the sheets (dirty!) is so simple, but it's such a perfect little intro, AND it's pretty. I like when the kids are leaving for Hogsmeade the first time, and Hermione and Ron are the last ones to leave and Hermione gives Harry a sad little wave, that's so cute. I really love Lupin's "you're more like them than you know", that line sort of got me choked up. Very sad. And when Sirius says "the ones we love never really leave us", because it applies to HIM too, and that was fucking depressing. Really, all the Sirius stuff just makes me horribly sad in light of OotP.

Oh, i saw Sir Cadogan in the background this time! I hadn't noticed him before, but he's actually in it a lot, jumping around and wielding his sword and being a spaz like he is in the book. And i saw the makeout feet in the credits, BWAH. Hey, in the boggart lesson, how is Parvati's SCARY HORRIBLE JACK-IN-THE-BOX CLOWN OF DEATH less frightening than the giant snake? I'd just like to know. 'Cause the snake? Way less scary.

While my problems with the film aren't... really... problems anymore, one thing that does still bug me is how much Hermione interferes when they go back in time, considering she's the one who stresses how you're NOT supposed to interfere. The rock-throwing, the fake howl- i guess maybe they wanted more to intertwine the two stories, but i always liked how little they changed in the book, how Harry's patronus was the only wholly obvious way they had interfered with the past and it's so cool the way that happens. Another minor, miiiiinor thing that i prefer in the book is when they're leaving Hagrid's hut and Buckbeak is executed. While i adore the threesome hug (wheeeee!), they don't stop to watch, they're running back toward the school and telling each other not to listen, and then they hear the axe fall. It's just a small change, but i really love how that scene is written. Ah well.

Oh, and Thewlis isn't Lupin to me. Oldman isn't really Sirius, either. They're fine, and i like them well enough, but they're much different in my head. Some of the characters have become the movie versions for me, or i can't remember how i used to imagine them or whatever. Like, i think Harry is mostly still my version when i read, but he's also too easy to envision as Dan now. Some of them i imagined completely differently before the movies, and then the movies changed that. See, i have this habit of completely ignoring physical descriptions sometimes and just going with whatever i want, thus, in my mind, McGonagall used to be short and fat, Snape looked like Count Olaf from A Series of Unfortunate Events, and Dumbledore was, inexplicably, bald and wearing a suit. No, i'm serious. (I really have NO idea how i got that image of Dumbledore.) But now, i think the movie versions have pretty much taken over and i imagine them how they're supposed to look (Alan Rickman IS Snape, dude). And soooooome of the movie versions ended up looking just like i imagined them, like Draco and Hermione, so that's not really a problem. And still OTHERS i continue to imagine as my own versions when i read. So i think Lupin and Sirius fall into that last category. I kind of just realized my version of Lupin looks rather like Colin Firth, a little bit. Extremely kind-looking, you know? And pretty. Very, very pretty. But hey! That just means the movie doesn't completely represent the book for me, which it didn't anyway. It's just one interpretation. Quite enjoyable to watch, but a single interpretation nonetheless.

Am also becoming more and more enamored with Dan's prettiness. Still obsessed with Harry's racing striped jacket, and messy hair, and i quite like the moment when he lays on the bed and takes off his shoe to catch the Monster Book of Monsters. Ohmygod, i'm a dirty old lady! He's the same age as my little brother, EW EW EW!! .............. But he's pretty and i like him!




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Re: in a fast handbasket ---
[info]crushw_eyeliner
2004-06-12 11:24 pm UTC (link)
Don't be ashamed of your Dan love. He's an adorable woobie who you can admire for purely aesthetic reasons. And because his taste in music is excellent.

As are the pictures of him with his guitar, rocking out.

Oh hell, who am I kidding?

Fast handbasket, party of a thousand. Goblet of Fire, anyone?

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Re: in a fast handbasket ---
[info]toastandtea
2004-06-13 12:30 am UTC (link)
HA! Fast handbasket, indeed. I'm really excited about him growing up even more, because i'll feel a bit less squicky and it's fun to see him get even older and prettier! (but that doesn't stop it from being very very wrong!)

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[info]christysg
2004-06-12 11:32 pm UTC (link)
I'm not a fan of the books, and I almost didn't watch this because it's something I just can't feel anything for(like, I didn't watch LOTR too. I KNOW. I think it's the hype), so I can't bring myself to review it but this was actually quite satisfying, and I think it's the sadness and darkness of it all that appealed just a lttle bit more.

I agree that it's gorgeous, things like the falling leaf and how the flowers freeze up. And I love the score too. John Williams rules! Oh, and I LOVE Hermione. Hee. She's such a smartass, since, like, the first movie.

Love your new icons!

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[info]toastandtea
2004-06-13 12:35 am UTC (link)
OHMYGOD YOU HAVEN'T SEEN LOTR??? Freak! Haha, i kid. But, like, there's hype for a reason! Sogood!

Have you tried to read the HP books and just didn't like them? That's so weird to me. I know they don't appeal to some people, but i just love them so much it's like "but whyyyyyy?".

I'm glad you liked this movie, though. I think overall it's simply better as a motion picture, not just as a "movie version of a book".

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[info]christysg
2004-06-13 01:26 am UTC (link)
Like, I know LOTR is good, but I'm just not interested, you know? And it's not a bad kind of uninterested either, it's just...there are some movies that, after watching the trailer, I would go book tickets immediately, but this wasn't one of them. I felt that it won't kill me if I didn't watch, I'll just drink my vanilla coke and stone when people start talking about it, hee. Indifference more than anything. I'm a freak D

I should correct it and say that I've never attempted to read the HP books, even though the books are just sitting on my brother's table. I think I should keep it this way because I would nitpick to death if I read them. I would say that as a movie it was pretty good. I was like, a little indifferent towards HP too, until my friend dragged me to Chamber of Secrets. My sequence of watching was CoS, half of SS, PoA, and the other half of SS. Ha.

Oh btw...could you friend me? Heh.

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[info]kasey19
2004-06-12 11:41 pm UTC (link)
I have to agree with you on Thewlis. I think with Lupin, it was the "pornstache" which drove me insane. I always imagined Lupin as a Ewan McGregor/Ralph Fiennes type. With Sirius, he always seemed so young. Way younger than Gary Oldman, that's for sure. Ah well, what are you gonna do. Have you seen who they've cast as Cho? They actually did a fair job with her casting.

He's the same age as my little brother, EW EW EW!!

I know! I have a 16 year old brother, and I always feel like a perv when I think about how pretty the boys have gotten. I knew Dan would grow up to be quite cute, but I'm surprised at how cute Rupert's gotten.

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[info]toastandtea
2004-06-13 12:44 am UTC (link)
it was the "pornstache" which drove me insane.

Yes! If he only didn't have the mustache, he would be so much better, i swear. I mean, he still wouldn't be MY Lupin, but he would be much improved.

Have you seen who they've cast as Cho?

Yeah, from what i can tell, she looks right. And the picture i've seen of the kid who's set to be Cedric looks REALLY right. ("right" by, uhm, MY standards, of course.)

I knew Dan would grow up to be quite cute, but I'm surprised at how cute Rupert's gotten.

Seriously! It's not fair, age has done nice things for them. Puberty was meeeeean to me! Waaaaah!

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[info]ageofaquarius
2004-06-13 12:54 am UTC (link)
The girl who's playing Cho? Where's the pic?

The guy that's playing Cedric? It's pretty much exactly how I saw him in my head.

I think I need to see this again.

You know, I liked the first two installments but this one, POA? I want it on DVD NOW. Gimme!!

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[info]ageofaquarius
2004-06-13 12:55 am UTC (link)
Rupert?! eeeee. It's the hair. I'm almost sure of it.

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[info]toastandtea
2004-06-13 01:44 am UTC (link)
Cho. From that, she looks okay, but, ya know, it's hard to tell.

You know, I liked the first two installments but this one, POA? I want it on DVD NOW. Gimme!!

Yeah, that's exactly how i feel. It's like, those were fine, and they got me fairly excited after i saw them, but this is like, an IMMENSE love. Genuine, absolute goodness. :D

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[info]dafnap
2004-06-12 11:46 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for making me cry w/ the icon-awesome.

Anyway.

I imagined Colin Firth as Lupin too when I first read the books, a sort of bookish, awkward Colin Firth, but I don't know, something about this movie made me really jones for Thewlis. Not just because he was Lupin, but because he played him with such a sense of bittersweet empathy and understanding, I dunno. But then again, I might be under the influence of pictures such as these but I always believed that Lupin had long piano hands.

/random.

I loved, loved, love the time imagery in this movie. Especially with Harry watching his friends leave from inside the clock. Or the little hints of time with the wizard in the Inn reading "The Mysteries of Time" or the passage of time with the focus on the changing of the seasons.

The drink turning to ice in the train car was probably the coolest goddamn thing ever. The swing music during the boggart scene. Or the animal-whine of the Lupin-werewolf! Or the Egyptian family in the background of the Inn scene teaching their child how to charm a snake! Or the snow by Honeydukes! Or the talking heads! OMG SO MUCH TO LOVE.

I know, I'm hemorrhaging with the non-sequitur here, but hey, I never imagined Dumbledore in a suit and bald. Crazy Uncle Xavier anyone? :)

That just means the movie doesn't completely represent the book for me, which it didn't anyway. It's just one interpretation. Quite enjoyable to watch, but a single interpretation nonetheless.

And that's why you're so awesome. I'm tired of all the whinging on my flist about "omg not like the movie so angry". I like your approach better, the whole: "sure it's not exactly how it is in my crack-addled brain or the book, but oooh! Underage pretty!"

I can get behind that.

(and the scene were he fights the boggart in Lupin's office? That one? Yeah. Dirty-old-lady-little-brother-same-age-but-he's-pretty-and-I-like-him-moment-indeed.)

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[info]toastandtea
2004-06-13 01:04 am UTC (link)
Cry, bitch, CRY! ... Uhm, yeah. It makes me sad, too.

Not just because he was Lupin, but because he played him with such a sense of bittersweet empathy and understanding, I dunno.

Oh, yeah, he definitely had a good weary sadness about him, which is very much Lupin. I liked how teacherly he was, in the boggart lesson and the patronus lesson with Harry, he really had that... imparting knowledge... thing. I don't know, but it was good! And yes, i have seen many Thewlis pictures lately, and he does, indeed, have very good hands. I accept him as a Lupin, but he still isn't my Lupin. But, hey, what can ya do?

I know, I'm hemorrhaging with the non-sequitur here, but hey, I never imagined Dumbledore in a suit and bald.

Yes, yes, throw it back in my face, fine. I KNOW! MY BRAIN IS WEIRD! Shut up. Aaaaannnnnyyyyway, i agree with all of your hemorrhaging. The time imagery is SERIOUSLY the coolest. I eat it up with a spoon. Mmm, time. Tastes like sherbert!

"sure it's not exactly how it is in my crack-addled brain or the book, but oooh! Underage pretty!"

It really is the way to go. With the flooooooow. I'm laid back like that, baby. (ha! ha! Except if this were Alias, in some weird alternate universe where HP is Alias or... something... i'd be all "THAT'S NOT POA!" and would spend all summer dissecting why it's wrong.)

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[info]seductivebunco
2004-06-13 12:20 am UTC (link)
i think ron's twin brothers are hot xD

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[info]toastandtea
2004-06-13 01:07 am UTC (link)
They ARE! I looooove book!Fred-and-George, and they're so pretty in the movies. Especially in this one, with the shaggy hair. Much love, much love.

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[info]fleener
2004-06-13 12:32 am UTC (link)
Dude!

and i quite like the moment when he lays on the bed and takes off his shoe to catch the Monster Book of Monsters

Me. Too. I don't know what it is about that, but both times I saw the movie, I was transfixed. The shoe removal moment was somehow magnificent, I'm glad I'm not alone in my love for it.

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[info]toastandtea
2004-06-13 01:11 am UTC (link)
Oh, goodie! We agree on something! Whew! Dude, it's something about like, he's laying down, and curling up his leg, and wearing those awesome clothes at the same time, and... it's nice. Very nice.

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[info]bliccy
2004-06-13 01:20 am UTC (link)
It sounds like you guys are talking about Mr. Rogers. For reals.

Ok, except Nicola recc'd this non-smutty threesome fic and it was GOOD. It almost has me intrigued enough to see the movie. Because, well...I like pretty stuff.

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[info]toastandtea
2004-06-13 01:37 am UTC (link)
OHMYGOD NICOLE YOU TOTALLY RUINED IT FOR ME. Now i'm thinking of Harry going to a closet and slowly changing into a sweater while he talks about being my neighbor. AGGH.

Hey, i read that fic Nicola recced, too! It WAS good! SEE THE MOVIE SEE THE MOVIE! I mean, come on. Nicole. You know me, i like the pretty things. And it is very, very pretty. Except, wait, no, you need to read the booooks! They're very important! Oh, hell. I don't know. Do what you want.

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[info]bliccy
2004-06-13 01:44 am UTC (link)
There's even a trolly/train in the Neighborhood. And all of those house cardigans in HP. And sometimes Mr. Rogers goes to the cotton candy factory, and we all know kids like candy, so...there you go. Mr. Rogers = HP. Oh god, and don't forget the OWL!

I mean...Marina, I HAVE seen the first two movies and they were enjoyable and I don't really think the whole lot of them (whoa I'm so down with Brit-speak) kids are evil! little! freaks!, just Harry. Or Daniel. Both of him. It's the prominent forehead and eybrows and mouth and stuff. So basically his head.

But I'll go see it! Hey! Have you seen that homage to 'Y Tu Mama Tambien' that Cuaron worked intp PoA? I'm not fannish about HP and even I was like "Hee! Naughty!"

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[info]toastandtea
2004-06-13 01:55 am UTC (link)
Stopitstopitstopit. Those puppets in the... place where the train went to (what was it caaaaaalled?), they were scary lookin', man. SCARY.

You HAVE seen the first two movies? Well, why didn't ya saaay so? See, they're not nearly as good as the books. If i had only seen the movies, i would be like "okay, that's fine. Goodbye." The books are SO GOOD. I mean, it's such an amazing world (and that sounds sooo cheesy, but it's like, true!). And everything is so much cooler when you read it, because of your IMAGINATION! (reading is FUN!) But you're ruined forever because you saw the movies first, so your whole view of the universe is influenced by THAT. You suck, Nicole.

So basically his head.

BWAAAAH. Well, that's just too bad for you, man. I can see why he doesn't appeal to some people, but iiiiiii like him.

Have you seen that homage to 'Y Tu Mama Tambien' that Cuaron worked intp PoA?

Well, yes. Duh. I could tell the first time i saw the movie, and it was awesome. Dirty!

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[info]spotsnstripes
2004-06-13 12:52 am UTC (link)
It's SO GORGEOUS, i seriously cannot get over it. The whole time i was thinking "WANT THE DVD. Oooh, look at that, i can't wait to cap that. Ooh, i want that shot, too. GIMME GIMME" etc etc.

I HAVE to see it again! And I seriously need to cap it too! I love the shot with the flower and the dementor that freezes it. Soo pretty.

I really, really adore the music. I don't have the soundtrack so i have no idea what the songs are, so i'm just going to say the moments that i love.

I downloaded it last night. It's pretty good but I just LOVE the theme. And the Double, Double toil and trouble kicks arse.

And Lupin's swing music during the boggart lesson.

I forgot about that. That was awesome.

Anyway, i am still in LOVE with the style of the film (if all this talk about style didn't tip you off). Everything is so dreary, dark and rainy and overcast and British, and i just adore it to bits and pieces.

SUCH a change from the last one. I'm a little worried about the director for the next one. I hope he's gonna be all arty like this was.

Really, all the Sirius stuff just makes me horribly sad in light of OotP.

It does really add a poignancy to it all.

Oh, i saw Sir Cadogan in the background this time!I hadn't noticed him before, but he's actually in it a lot, jumping around and wielding his sword and being a spaz like he is in the book.

I saw him too! But I love him in the book.

See, i have this habit of completely ignoring physical descriptions sometimes and just going with whatever i want, thus, in my mind

I do that too. It's really bad!

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[info]toastandtea
2004-06-13 01:15 am UTC (link)
I'm a little worried about the director for the next one. I hope he's gonna be all arty like this was.

Me toooooo! I want to keep Cuaron forever! Maybe it'll be good, though, that it's being switched up. But i'm just so pleased with how this one turned out, i don't want the quality to go dowwwwn. It's like, we've had the good stuff, we can't go back!

I saw him too! But I love him in the book.

I was really looking forward to him being in the movie, cause he's so funny, always challenging everyone and changing the password. Ooooh well.

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[info]spotsnstripes
2004-06-13 01:30 am UTC (link)
Me toooooo! I want to keep Cuaron forever! i don't want the quality to go dowwwwn. It's like, we've had the good stuff, we can't go back!

Oh I KNOW this is so true. I haven't seen much the new director's done but he doesn't seem the arty type. No I WANT the pretty :)

I was really looking forward to him being in the movie, cause he's so funny, always challenging everyone and changing the password. Ooooh well.

He is funny. I love him showing Ron and Harry to Divination. I was sad that Pigwidgeon wasn't in the movie too. Just little things. But we've always got the book.

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[info]lasheremaleth
2004-06-13 01:12 am UTC (link)
I'm going to have to see it again (and again and again and agaaaaain) to really figure out what I think about Thewlis. I came out of the theatre really disliking him, but I've been thinking about his portrayal ever since and remembering little things I really liked. I admit I used to be in the Ewan/Colin/Ralph camp, but eh.

Also, soundtrack, as uploaded by [info]beizy :) I'll probably end up buying it as well, it's so much better than the first two. My favourite track is 'A Window to the Past'. Just, sigh.

I keep replaying the shots of the flowers freezing up in my head. Such a beautifully shot film. Wheee, love it so much.

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[info]toastandtea
2004-06-13 01:33 am UTC (link)
See, i didn't dislike Thewlis, i just have a difficult time meshing him with the Lupin i have in my head. I haven't worked it out. But i think he played him with a weariness that was very Lupin-like.

Thaaaaank you so much for the soundtrack link! I just listened to A Window to the Past, and i tooootally agree with you. SO gorgeous.

Such a beautifully shot film.

It really, really is. I mean, i keep saying that, but i can't seem to emphasize it enough. The delicate artistry is really amazing. I keep getting a little bit surprised at how much more i love this movie than the first two.

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[info]outtathaway
2004-06-13 08:37 am UTC (link)
GUH. Haha I don't know you but I thought I'd put in my two cents.

I just saw POA for the first time yesterday, and I loved it! I think its my fave HP movie :D The music was fantastic in the movie, and I went out to buy the soundtrack right away! And I totally agree with the brilliance of some of the shots in the movie. Some were absolutely gorgeous and I couldn't get over it!

Heh. And Dan. So cute in the movie!! His hair was absolutely adorable, and he looked so cuddly in those sweatshirts :)

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[info]eunae
2004-06-13 02:58 pm UTC (link)
Hi would you like to join Farscape Ep I rarely go around and ask but, I am currently asking icon makers who have a great talent, who I think make brilliant icons. So, if you're new to the fandom of Farscape or love it entirely please come check it out and spread the word. Aswell, if you're new to the Farscape or NEVER heard of it, Farscape-Caps.com can help you, so you don't even need to know the series.

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[info]turkish_popstar
2004-06-13 03:41 pm UTC (link)
I found your LJ through bliccy and since we have a lot in common (The Jake and Alias and Harry Potter), I added you, and I hope you'll add me back. I'm Mikey btw.

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*holds up dirty old lady club ID card*
[info]alittlesting
2004-06-18 01:30 pm UTC (link)
Hi! You don't know me, but I've been a fan of your superb work since the XF days (remember them? Ah, the good old days.). I lost track of deuce at the old addy, and then only recently found it again. Imagine my excitement! :) Then I stumbled upon your journal, and discovered not only do you love XF, but you love Alias, AND Harry Potter. Not only that, but I see you're nineteen and from Florida (me too! The Orlando area). What are you, my long lost twin? ;)

Anyway, is it okay if I add you? That would be awesome.

Oh! Here's the soundtrack, in mp3 form ---> It's excellent quality, I just can't get enough of it. Soundtrack! Enjoy!

Was it just me, or did you expect wandering minstrels to appear a la Monty Python and the Holy Grail trailing behind Harry, strumming their guitars or playing flutes to "Brave, brave Sir Harry..". Okay, that only really works if you've actually seen it.

Cheers!

<333 Molly (note the icon..dude, I so fancy him.)

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Re: *holds up dirty old lady club ID card*
[info]toastandtea
2004-06-18 03:32 pm UTC (link)
Whoah, Deuce! Blast from the past! ;) I've sort of been tempted to take it down for a while, cause it's just sitting there stagnating, but i figure it's still a portfolio of work that people might want to see, soooo... it's still there. But yeah, i love rediscovering sites that moved a long time ago! It's like finding treasure... or something.

Not only that, but I see you're nineteen and from Florida (me too! The Orlando area). What are you, my long lost twin?

Maybe! Actually, i just turned 20 (AAACCCKKK), so, not exactly 19 anymore. I'm in St. Pete, but i go to school in Orlando during the year! Freak-ay.

strumming their guitars or playing flutes to "Brave, brave Sir Harry..".

HA! That would be awesome. And there could be a guy making horse clopping sounds with coconut shells. Excellent.

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[info]dorkii_rawk
2004-07-20 12:24 pm UTC (link)
Dumbledore was, inexplicably, bald and wearing a suit.

that is awesome. my god. your vision of HP characters are amusing.

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